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	<title>Comments on: Choice Schools &#8211; Is it like Gambling in Wisconsin?</title>
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		<title>By: John-david Morgan</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/choice-schools-is-it-like-gambling-in-wisconsin/#comment-7117</link>
		<dc:creator>John-david Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few things to remember when considering the choice program and the flawed debates that surround it:

1) There&#039;s no such thing as a 40% graduation rate.  This is fiction put out by choice advocates that throws any real debate about what goes on in MPS and what goes on in choice schools in the garbage. The graduation rate at Rufus King and Riverside High Schools is 96% but that never gets reported. The graduation rate at Messmer is about the same, but we hear about that all the time in the choice debate.

2) The free consumer market of education doesn&#039;t exist. With the exception of Milwaukee Rufus King, which scores above most of the suburban schools on 10th Grade WKCE tests, high school scores on the WKCE are directly linked to the median family income within the school&#039;s district.  The top six median income communities in Miwaukee County operate six of the top seven WKCE scoring high schools year in, year out. Whitefish Bay, Nicolet, Shorewood, Tosa East, Franklin, Rufus King, Whitnall ...  Only King is based in a community with a median family income less than $67,000 per year. (Interestingly, the only high school in the state in a community with $60,000 median family income or above that can&#039;t seem to nail those tests is Oak Creek High. Three of the last four years the school was below state average - not household knowledge, even in Oak Creek.) 

4) Creaming out of MPS is difficult to prove, and no one has been able to show the affect of open enrollment on MPS. (In general, what we&#039;ve seen in the last 20 years is flight out of Milwaukee, period.) One of the reasons is that creaming occurs within the system first as the &quot;good kids&quot; feed into Rufus King, Riverside and High School of the Arts, generally.  Tech is also an option.  We do know that choice saved Messmer, and that&#039;s why it&#039;s held up as the jewel of the program.   Choice failures have been as profound as Messmer&#039;s success.

3) Whether the choice school is run out of a run down storefront church or out a place like Messmer, with its Tommy G. Thompson athletic center, the school is not required to take the WKCE, and the test is not administered. In fact, choice schools lobbied the state to keep from taking WKCE tests.

4) Federal students with disability funding does not flow through private schools. The subculture of LDE teachers within public education does not exist with private education. 

5) The lot for kids on the North Side of Milwaukee -- the kids that the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program was designed to help -- has not improved since the inception of the program in the early 1990s.  Instead of looking critically at the choice program as part of what is not working, MPS is blamed and bashed. 

6) At the heart of the program is the idea that a school can be run more efficiently without unionized teachers and a centralized set of rules. It&#039;s understood that paying teachers less helps private schools meet their bottom line, but it doesn&#039;t make for better education. 

7) At no point was choice about education or about educated consumer choices -- it was about freeing up education funding from central office and redistributing it into the community. There have been successes, but the program has also given birth to a segregated, separate and unequal system of small, entrepeneurship schools that -- at best -- are not having much of an impact on the community.

A consumer can easily find out more about a brand of automobile than they can about a school.  What has occured, with a few exceptions -- most of those being in MPS -- is that very low income people are stuck with very bad educational choices, just as they&#039;re stuck with bad choices in the consumer economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few things to remember when considering the choice program and the flawed debates that surround it:</p>
<p>1) There&#8217;s no such thing as a 40% graduation rate.  This is fiction put out by choice advocates that throws any real debate about what goes on in MPS and what goes on in choice schools in the garbage. The graduation rate at Rufus King and Riverside High Schools is 96% but that never gets reported. The graduation rate at Messmer is about the same, but we hear about that all the time in the choice debate.</p>
<p>2) The free consumer market of education doesn&#8217;t exist. With the exception of Milwaukee Rufus King, which scores above most of the suburban schools on 10th Grade WKCE tests, high school scores on the WKCE are directly linked to the median family income within the school&#8217;s district.  The top six median income communities in Miwaukee County operate six of the top seven WKCE scoring high schools year in, year out. Whitefish Bay, Nicolet, Shorewood, Tosa East, Franklin, Rufus King, Whitnall &#8230;  Only King is based in a community with a median family income less than $67,000 per year. (Interestingly, the only high school in the state in a community with $60,000 median family income or above that can&#8217;t seem to nail those tests is Oak Creek High. Three of the last four years the school was below state average &#8211; not household knowledge, even in Oak Creek.) </p>
<p>4) Creaming out of MPS is difficult to prove, and no one has been able to show the affect of open enrollment on MPS. (In general, what we&#8217;ve seen in the last 20 years is flight out of Milwaukee, period.) One of the reasons is that creaming occurs within the system first as the &#8220;good kids&#8221; feed into Rufus King, Riverside and High School of the Arts, generally.  Tech is also an option.  We do know that choice saved Messmer, and that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s held up as the jewel of the program.   Choice failures have been as profound as Messmer&#8217;s success.</p>
<p>3) Whether the choice school is run out of a run down storefront church or out a place like Messmer, with its Tommy G. Thompson athletic center, the school is not required to take the WKCE, and the test is not administered. In fact, choice schools lobbied the state to keep from taking WKCE tests.</p>
<p>4) Federal students with disability funding does not flow through private schools. The subculture of LDE teachers within public education does not exist with private education. </p>
<p>5) The lot for kids on the North Side of Milwaukee &#8212; the kids that the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program was designed to help &#8212; has not improved since the inception of the program in the early 1990s.  Instead of looking critically at the choice program as part of what is not working, MPS is blamed and bashed. </p>
<p>6) At the heart of the program is the idea that a school can be run more efficiently without unionized teachers and a centralized set of rules. It&#8217;s understood that paying teachers less helps private schools meet their bottom line, but it doesn&#8217;t make for better education. </p>
<p>7) At no point was choice about education or about educated consumer choices &#8212; it was about freeing up education funding from central office and redistributing it into the community. There have been successes, but the program has also given birth to a segregated, separate and unequal system of small, entrepeneurship schools that &#8212; at best &#8212; are not having much of an impact on the community.</p>
<p>A consumer can easily find out more about a brand of automobile than they can about a school.  What has occured, with a few exceptions &#8212; most of those being in MPS &#8212; is that very low income people are stuck with very bad educational choices, just as they&#8217;re stuck with bad choices in the consumer economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Thomas</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/choice-schools-is-it-like-gambling-in-wisconsin/#comment-7102</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a public school teacher, I can tell you that choice is a good thing. We can sure as heck compete with Choice schools and regularly win the battle. By we, I mean those of us who teach in non-MPS public schools within Milw. county. Through open enrollment we siphon off the &quot;good&quot; kids like crazy--more that Choice schools do.

Its a good thing that programs like open enrollment and choice have brought the market place into education. One way to see the benefit is by studying WKCE scores for LD, ED, and Econ Disadvantaged students in districts surrounding MPS. They&#039;re all creeping up. That&#039;s because people are paying more attention to them now. 

Further, the &quot;stats&quot; we keep are to our advantage. They give us tangible information we can show parents as we convince them that our school is better than the Choice school. In truth, most Choice schools keep detailed stats too--for the same reason.

The whole church and state argument is also a non-factor. It is a tired emotional argument that means nothing to people whose only concern is educating children. The same is true regarding special ed. In truth, public schools have the best facilities and skill-sets to meet the needs of these students, but many Choice schools have ample numbers of special ed students.

In the end, Choice isn&#039;t the enemy of MPS or public education. MPS is a structure unable to confront its current challenges; its long dead, but nobody has the guts to scrap it. And as a parent, wouldn&#039;t it be problematic to send your kid to one of these failing schools? Would you send your kid to a school where only 40% of kids would graduate? No. Therefore, we have a responsibility to provide an exit and a choice. This is really a fundamental &quot;progressive&quot; justice issue.

But don&#039;t worry. I&#039;m sure that ten years from now choice schools will be lawyered and regulated to death too. Like the federal government, the state can&#039;t just disperse the money and then let local people make decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a public school teacher, I can tell you that choice is a good thing. We can sure as heck compete with Choice schools and regularly win the battle. By we, I mean those of us who teach in non-MPS public schools within Milw. county. Through open enrollment we siphon off the &#8220;good&#8221; kids like crazy&#8211;more that Choice schools do.</p>
<p>Its a good thing that programs like open enrollment and choice have brought the market place into education. One way to see the benefit is by studying WKCE scores for LD, ED, and Econ Disadvantaged students in districts surrounding MPS. They&#8217;re all creeping up. That&#8217;s because people are paying more attention to them now. </p>
<p>Further, the &#8220;stats&#8221; we keep are to our advantage. They give us tangible information we can show parents as we convince them that our school is better than the Choice school. In truth, most Choice schools keep detailed stats too&#8211;for the same reason.</p>
<p>The whole church and state argument is also a non-factor. It is a tired emotional argument that means nothing to people whose only concern is educating children. The same is true regarding special ed. In truth, public schools have the best facilities and skill-sets to meet the needs of these students, but many Choice schools have ample numbers of special ed students.</p>
<p>In the end, Choice isn&#8217;t the enemy of MPS or public education. MPS is a structure unable to confront its current challenges; its long dead, but nobody has the guts to scrap it. And as a parent, wouldn&#8217;t it be problematic to send your kid to one of these failing schools? Would you send your kid to a school where only 40% of kids would graduate? No. Therefore, we have a responsibility to provide an exit and a choice. This is really a fundamental &#8220;progressive&#8221; justice issue.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t worry. I&#8217;m sure that ten years from now choice schools will be lawyered and regulated to death too. Like the federal government, the state can&#8217;t just disperse the money and then let local people make decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Stocks</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/choice-schools-is-it-like-gambling-in-wisconsin/#comment-7094</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Stocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - I am not sure what the answer or solution here is.  Having graduated from a choice school, Elim Chrisitan Academy, I feel caught in the middle of this debate.  MPS desperately needs to not be seen as a bad choice for a student.  I try my hardest to encourage people to give the system a chance, but am forced to admit that my parents sent me to a choice school.  The irony of it is that the school I attended has since closed down due to financial problems. Rumor has it that they were trying to admit families who could not really afford it, and the school admitted them anyways on some sort of arrangement, but fell behind on the bills. The church tried to bail the school out, but that only lasted for 4 or 5 years, and then they had to close the doors.  In 1987, I did attend  South Division for one year, and it was much easier than the Chrisitian school, but I am not sure why.  I think it is good for a family to have a choice of where to send their children, but I don&#039;t like the bad rep MPS gets as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; I am not sure what the answer or solution here is.  Having graduated from a choice school, Elim Chrisitan Academy, I feel caught in the middle of this debate.  MPS desperately needs to not be seen as a bad choice for a student.  I try my hardest to encourage people to give the system a chance, but am forced to admit that my parents sent me to a choice school.  The irony of it is that the school I attended has since closed down due to financial problems. Rumor has it that they were trying to admit families who could not really afford it, and the school admitted them anyways on some sort of arrangement, but fell behind on the bills. The church tried to bail the school out, but that only lasted for 4 or 5 years, and then they had to close the doors.  In 1987, I did attend  South Division for one year, and it was much easier than the Chrisitian school, but I am not sure why.  I think it is good for a family to have a choice of where to send their children, but I don&#8217;t like the bad rep MPS gets as a result.</p>
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