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 Comments on: How Democrats Won – a Lesson in Democracy http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/ Your Progressive Source for Local Opinions and Insightful Commentary Wed, 09 Mar 2011 23:19:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6939 James Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:22:13 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6939 John-David Morgan - You are easily fooled. John-David Morgan –

You are easily fooled.

]]> By: John-david Morgan http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6932 John-david Morgan Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:22:56 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6932 I have no doubt that the sort of conversation that was held in some churches. The amendment was designed to prompt that conversation. You're acknowledging that the goal with "Defense of Marriage" was to turn a Wisconsin election into a referendum on homosexuality. Wisconsin voters are just too smart to let that affect how they cast their votes for candidates. They want a Legislature that cares about working families. I have no doubt that the sort of conversation that was held in some churches. The amendment was designed to prompt that conversation. You’re acknowledging that the goal with “Defense of Marriage” was to turn a Wisconsin election into a referendum on homosexuality.

Wisconsin voters are just too smart to let that affect how they cast their votes for candidates. They want a Legislature that cares about working families.

]]> By: Bill Stocks http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6931 Bill Stocks Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:39:53 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6931 You guys are missing the boat here. Regardless of who put it on the ballot, the liberal agenda is to push the general public to accept homosexuality as being normal and okay. The majority of voters have shown that they are not willing to accept that. You guys are missing the boat here. Regardless of who put it on the ballot, the liberal agenda is to push the general public to accept homosexuality as being normal and okay. The majority of voters have shown that they are not willing to accept that.

]]> By: John-david Morgan http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6930 John-david Morgan Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:19:13 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6930 Bill, you can hardly accuse progressives who tried to stop a harmful amendment of having an agenda. There is, however, a health care reform agenda from which progressives can ill afford to stray. Raj, no Republican lost a seat over the amendment. \'No\' on the Amendment won only two counties - Dane and LaCrosse. The city of LaCrosse rep is Democrat Jennifer Schilling, who ran unopposed, and the Republican in the area is Mike Huebsch, the GOP Assembly leader. Huebsch won easily. Of course, there are no Republican held seats in Dane County. \'No on the Amendment\' nearly got to 50 percent in Iowa County in the southwest corner of the state, where 51st District incumbent Republican Stephen Freese (Dodgeville) lost to Dem Steve Hilgenberg. Voters in Iowa County did reject the death penalty 54% to 46%. While the referendums were no help to Freese, it is also difficult to see how the marriage amendment hurt him. There were other issues. Freese was the last standing member of the Assembly Republican leadership tainted by the caucus scandal. He was indicted in that mess, and Hilgenberg made integrity a campaign issue. Dems flipped a seat west of Freese - Grant County Assembly District 49 - but yes votes on the amendment overwhelmed the no\'s 62.5% to 37.5% and voters said yes to the death penalty. Still, Dem Phil Garthwaite ousted Gabe Loeffelholz (R - Platteville). The effort to stop the amendment failed badly almost everywhere in the state, even in Milwaukee, yet it didn\'t seem to have much effect on how people voted for candidates. Bill, you can hardly accuse progressives who tried to stop a harmful amendment of having an agenda. There is, however, a health care reform agenda from which progressives can ill afford to stray.

Raj, no Republican lost a seat over the amendment. \’No\’ on the Amendment won only two counties – Dane and LaCrosse. The city of LaCrosse rep is Democrat Jennifer Schilling, who ran unopposed, and the Republican in the area is Mike Huebsch, the GOP Assembly leader. Huebsch won easily. Of course, there are no Republican held seats in Dane County.

\’No on the Amendment\’ nearly got to 50 percent in Iowa County in the southwest corner of the state, where 51st District incumbent Republican Stephen Freese (Dodgeville) lost to Dem Steve Hilgenberg. Voters in Iowa County did reject the death penalty 54% to 46%.

While the referendums were no help to Freese, it is also difficult to see how the marriage amendment hurt him. There were other issues. Freese was the last standing member of the Assembly Republican leadership tainted by the caucus scandal. He was indicted in that mess, and Hilgenberg made integrity a campaign issue.

Dems flipped a seat west of Freese – Grant County Assembly District 49 – but yes votes on the amendment overwhelmed the no\’s 62.5% to 37.5% and voters said yes to the death penalty. Still, Dem Phil Garthwaite ousted Gabe Loeffelholz (R – Platteville).

The effort to stop the amendment failed badly almost everywhere in the state, even in Milwaukee, yet it didn\’t seem to have much effect on how people voted for candidates.

]]> By: Jim McGuigan http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6929 Jim McGuigan Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:34:23 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6929 Bill, The marriage amendment was not a liberal machination. It was an effort by the Republican statists (big government types) who mistakenly call themselves conservative. Those that voted for it were pawns in a game to drive up the Republican vote. How does this amendment affect my relationship with my wife -- answer: it does not. Discrimination is now a Republican value and big government intervention has been a Republican value for my entire adult life. Bill,
The marriage amendment was not a liberal machination. It was an effort by the Republican statists (big government types) who mistakenly call themselves conservative.

Those that voted for it were pawns in a game to drive up the Republican vote.

How does this amendment affect my relationship with my wife — answer: it does not.

Discrimination is now a Republican value and big government intervention has been a Republican value for my entire adult life.

]]> By: Raj http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6928 Raj Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:52:46 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6928 Bill Stocks: "...the agenda of “liberal” Democrats is not necessarily what the voters want to see. The marriage amendment situation is a prime example of that." Conservative REPUBLICANS put the marraige amendment on the ballot. And conservative Republicans lost a couple Assembly seats because of it. What do you think is the more likely piece of legislation this cycle? 1.) Health Care for Everyone 2.) An Abortion Ban Which one would you bet on passing? Welcome to progressive government. Ain't it nice? Bill Stocks: “…the agenda of “liberal” Democrats is not necessarily what the voters want to see. The marriage amendment situation is a prime example of that.”

Conservative REPUBLICANS put the marraige amendment on the ballot. And conservative Republicans lost a couple Assembly seats because of it.

What do you think is the more likely piece of legislation this cycle?

1.) Health Care for Everyone
2.) An Abortion Ban

Which one would you bet on passing?

Welcome to progressive government. Ain’t it nice?

]]> By: John-david Morgan http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6922 John-david Morgan Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:50:18 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6922 The common thread in many of the Legislative races, Assembly included, was health care. One notable exception was the Sullivan-Reynolds Senate race which came down to basic grassroots cultural identification issues as much as anything, and was still too close for comfort. Negative TV advertising and other media that exposed Reynolds radical fundamentalism and fundamental weirdness closed the deal for Sullivan. In Milwaukee, we heard very little about health care reform in these elections. Jim Doyle had an array of issues in his arsenel - sexual predators, stem cell research, abortion rights - and his record on health care was simply one in the mix. Comprehensive reform was not on the table. It was a different story in the western part of the state, where the Republican Do Nothing Legislature was a factor in many races and inaction on the hyper-inflationary cost of health insurance was a natural tie-in. Racine woke up in this election and sent John Lehman to the state Senate, and there is no denying that the health care referendum was a key part of that. In some races, the health care candidate lost. In others, Dems cherry-picked seats from Do Nothing Republicans or ran better candidates for open seats. But of the four major issues in the state - health care reform, taxation, jobs & the economy, and education - Dems clearly made the most progress building concensus on the issue voters identified as the most important: health care reform. The common thread in many of the Legislative races, Assembly included, was health care. One notable exception was the Sullivan-Reynolds Senate race which came down to basic grassroots cultural identification issues as much as anything, and was still too close for comfort. Negative TV advertising and other media that exposed Reynolds radical fundamentalism and fundamental weirdness closed the deal for Sullivan.

In Milwaukee, we heard very little about health care reform in these elections. Jim Doyle had an array of issues in his arsenel – sexual predators, stem cell research, abortion rights – and his record on health care was simply one in the mix. Comprehensive reform was not on the table.

It was a different story in the western part of the state, where the Republican Do Nothing Legislature was a factor in many races and inaction on the hyper-inflationary cost of health insurance was a natural tie-in. Racine woke up in this election and sent John Lehman to the state Senate, and there is no denying that the health care referendum was a key part of that.

In some races, the health care candidate lost. In others, Dems cherry-picked seats from Do Nothing Republicans or ran better candidates for open seats. But of the four major issues in the state – health care reform, taxation, jobs & the economy, and education – Dems clearly made the most progress building concensus on the issue voters identified as the most important: health care reform.

]]> By: NewDeal http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6921 NewDeal Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:17:31 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6921 I agree that Progressive Majority was critical in helping Democrats win on Tuesday. However, I don't think Anti-TABOR was an issue Dems. were running on. In three of the 4 Senate pick ups all the winners agreed that health care was the issue that got them elected. In Eau Claire and Racine, Health care referendums were on the ballot and had significant field campaigns (phone, canvass, and mail) that supported them. In each area all the GOP candidates refused to support the referendums. The referendums passed with 83% support. I hope progressives don't minimize this amazing show of support by all voters for comprehensive universal health care reform. I agree that Progressive Majority was critical in helping Democrats win on Tuesday.

However, I don’t think Anti-TABOR was an issue Dems. were running on. In three of the 4 Senate pick ups all the winners agreed that health care was the issue that got them elected.

In Eau Claire and Racine, Health care referendums were on the ballot and had significant field campaigns (phone, canvass, and mail) that supported them. In each area all the GOP candidates refused to support the referendums. The referendums passed with 83% support.

I hope progressives don’t minimize this amazing show of support by all voters for comprehensive universal health care reform.

]]> By: Bill Stocks http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6919 Bill Stocks Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:15:29 +0000 http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/blog/jim/2006/how-democrats-won-a-lesson-in-democracy/#comment-6919 Jim - I think that being more conservative WILL help Democrats do even better. I am not talking about being okay with the war, or cutting much-needed programs, but (as far as this state is concerned) the agenda of "liberal" Democrats is not necessarily what the voters want to see. The marriage amendment situation is a prime example of that. Jim – I think that being more conservative WILL help Democrats do even better. I am not talking about being okay with the war, or cutting much-needed programs, but (as far as this state is concerned) the agenda of “liberal” Democrats is not necessarily what the voters want to see. The marriage amendment situation is a prime example of that.

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