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		<title>By: RegularJoe</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/lautenschlager-used-misleading-numbers-to-show-she-leads-falk/#comment-4634</link>
		<dc:creator>RegularJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, here's the link to the survey results:
http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP22PressRelease_WIrace1.pdf

go to page 9, question Elec31. You can see the crosstabs for the following question: 

"ELEC31 As of now, the candidates for the Democratic party may be Peg Lautenshlauger and Kathleen Falk and the candidates for the Republican party may be Paul Bucher and J.B. Van Hollen. As of now, which candidate do you prefer? Do you prefer Peg Lautenschlauger, Kathleen Falk, Paul Bucher or JB Van Hollen?"

Here are the results (minus the crosstabs for age groups and some others, in order to make this post look halfway decent. My apologies if the formatting of the following is a mess.)

Tot	Dem	Rep	Ind	Other
LAUT	37.1	9.0	20.8	16.5
FALK	23.2	11.2	17.6	22.4
BUCHER	2.6	33.6	21.6	15.3
VHOLL	1.3	9.7	4.0	--
DON'T KNOW	35.8	36.6	35.2	42.4
REFUSED	--	--	0.8	3.5
Total	100	100	100	100

Obviously the survey question separates out Dems, Republicans, Independents and others. If you go to the link, you can also see how it separates them out by age groups as well. This is the data that the Lautenschlager press release was referencing. 

Have you noticed that not even the Falk campaign has accused Lautenschlager of misleading on this point? Maybe it's time for you to acknowledge that you just didn't read the Lautenschlager press release closely enough and that you just made a mistake. It happens to the best of us. 

All this said, keep us the great work. You've got a nice looking blog, Watchdog. Peace, Out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, here&#8217;s the link to the survey results:<br />
<a href="http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP22PressRelease_WIrace1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP22PressRelease_WIrace1.pdf</a></p>
<p>go to page 9, question Elec31. You can see the crosstabs for the following question: </p>
<p>&#8220;ELEC31 As of now, the candidates for the Democratic party may be Peg Lautenshlauger and Kathleen Falk and the candidates for the Republican party may be Paul Bucher and J.B. Van Hollen. As of now, which candidate do you prefer? Do you prefer Peg Lautenschlauger, Kathleen Falk, Paul Bucher or JB Van Hollen?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are the results (minus the crosstabs for age groups and some others, in order to make this post look halfway decent. My apologies if the formatting of the following is a mess.)</p>
<p>Tot	Dem	Rep	Ind	Other<br />
LAUT	37.1	9.0	20.8	16.5<br />
FALK	23.2	11.2	17.6	22.4<br />
BUCHER	2.6	33.6	21.6	15.3<br />
VHOLL	1.3	9.7	4.0	&#8211;<br />
DON&#8217;T KNOW	35.8	36.6	35.2	42.4<br />
REFUSED	&#8211;	&#8211;	0.8	3.5<br />
Total	100	100	100	100</p>
<p>Obviously the survey question separates out Dems, Republicans, Independents and others. If you go to the link, you can also see how it separates them out by age groups as well. This is the data that the Lautenschlager press release was referencing. </p>
<p>Have you noticed that not even the Falk campaign has accused Lautenschlager of misleading on this point? Maybe it&#8217;s time for you to acknowledge that you just didn&#8217;t read the Lautenschlager press release closely enough and that you just made a mistake. It happens to the best of us. </p>
<p>All this said, keep us the great work. You&#8217;ve got a nice looking blog, Watchdog. Peace, Out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McGuigan</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/lautenschlager-used-misleading-numbers-to-show-she-leads-falk/#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim McGuigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
Read the results of the survey.  I provided a link in the story.  It didn't separate out dems and independents or even republicans. 

If you're saying that she is leading among dem voters, then I think the problem in her campaign goes deeper than a flawed press release.

"I don't know" currently leads the pack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
Read the results of the survey.  I provided a link in the story.  It didn&#8217;t separate out dems and independents or even republicans. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re saying that she is leading among dem voters, then I think the problem in her campaign goes deeper than a flawed press release.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; currently leads the pack.</p>
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		<title>By: RegularJoe</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/lautenschlager-used-misleading-numbers-to-show-she-leads-falk/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>RegularJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is, Lautenschlager's campaign didn't say "she was leading by 14 points." They said she's leading by "14 points among Democrats." In a Democratic Primary, I think that matters a little bit, don't you?

Another mistake Watchdog made is claiming that Lautenschlager was using favorability ratings. The 14 points comes from the survey question #31 re. preference for AG. Interestingly, in that question, Falk got more Republican votes than Van Hollen. I don't think many of those Republicans will be voting in the Dem Primary though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, Lautenschlager&#8217;s campaign didn&#8217;t say &#8220;she was leading by 14 points.&#8221; They said she&#8217;s leading by &#8220;14 points among Democrats.&#8221; In a Democratic Primary, I think that matters a little bit, don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Another mistake Watchdog made is claiming that Lautenschlager was using favorability ratings. The 14 points comes from the survey question #31 re. preference for AG. Interestingly, in that question, Falk got more Republican votes than Van Hollen. I don&#8217;t think many of those Republicans will be voting in the Dem Primary though.</p>
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		<title>By: John-david Morgan</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/lautenschlager-used-misleading-numbers-to-show-she-leads-falk/#comment-4626</link>
		<dc:creator>John-david Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular Joe,

It's a Dem primary!  A candidate running in a Dem Primary who says she's leading by 14, says she's leading by 14.  No way Jim is being misleading.

I think the poll is bunk. You've got some real mathematical impossibilities there. How can you be leading among both Dems and incumbents when your poll numbers drop so dramatically, from 37.4 down to 19 percent, and you end up behind Falk when the Party segregations are removed?  It doesn't quite add up; and, still, all those "I don't knows" in the mix will be the focus of both campaigns. 

Throw the poll out -- it's a hot race, with Falk running with some momentum and the incumbent, Lautenschlager, working against some very real negative perceptions. It's what we already knew.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular Joe,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a Dem primary!  A candidate running in a Dem Primary who says she&#8217;s leading by 14, says she&#8217;s leading by 14.  No way Jim is being misleading.</p>
<p>I think the poll is bunk. You&#8217;ve got some real mathematical impossibilities there. How can you be leading among both Dems and incumbents when your poll numbers drop so dramatically, from 37.4 down to 19 percent, and you end up behind Falk when the Party segregations are removed?  It doesn&#8217;t quite add up; and, still, all those &#8220;I don&#8217;t knows&#8221; in the mix will be the focus of both campaigns. </p>
<p>Throw the poll out &#8212; it&#8217;s a hot race, with Falk running with some momentum and the incumbent, Lautenschlager, working against some very real negative perceptions. It&#8217;s what we already knew.</p>
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		<title>By: RegularJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>RegularJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't skip that section. Favorability and Name ID are two of the best indicators of a candidates electability. Lautenschlager has a commanding lead on both counts less than 60 days from the primary. That sounds worthy of crowing about to me.

True, the survey report opines that it's still anyone's race because they don't have great data. They didn't survey for only likey Democratic Primary voters and many of those surveyed didn't have opinions either way. This is a very general poll and not one that is specifically focused on the Dem Primary for AG.

Compare your blog headline vs. Lautenschlager's press release. Lautenschlager never claimed to be leading "Falk by an impressive 14 percentage points" as you have written. Rather, Lautenschlager's press release specifically says, several times, that she is leading among Democrats."

So who's being misleading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t skip that section. Favorability and Name ID are two of the best indicators of a candidates electability. Lautenschlager has a commanding lead on both counts less than 60 days from the primary. That sounds worthy of crowing about to me.</p>
<p>True, the survey report opines that it&#8217;s still anyone&#8217;s race because they don&#8217;t have great data. They didn&#8217;t survey for only likey Democratic Primary voters and many of those surveyed didn&#8217;t have opinions either way. This is a very general poll and not one that is specifically focused on the Dem Primary for AG.</p>
<p>Compare your blog headline vs. Lautenschlager&#8217;s press release. Lautenschlager never claimed to be leading &#8220;Falk by an impressive 14 percentage points&#8221; as you have written. Rather, Lautenschlager&#8217;s press release specifically says, several times, that she is leading among Democrats.&#8221;</p>
<p>So who&#8217;s being misleading?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McGuigan</title>
		<link>http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/jim/2006/lautenschlager-used-misleading-numbers-to-show-she-leads-falk/#comment-4622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim McGuigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Joe but it looks like your confusion is the same confusion I originally had when I saw her press release.  Read the survey which you sent me the link to (which was already in the story) and you'll find that it says she is more well known and that her favorables are higher than others.

I don't know how you skipped the section right before that in the survey that says it's still anyones race but if you read the survey you'll find that you got your own facts wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Joe but it looks like your confusion is the same confusion I originally had when I saw her press release.  Read the survey which you sent me the link to (which was already in the story) and you&#8217;ll find that it says she is more well known and that her favorables are higher than others.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how you skipped the section right before that in the survey that says it&#8217;s still anyones race but if you read the survey you&#8217;ll find that you got your own facts wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: RegularJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>RegularJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You've got your facts wrong, Watchdog.

Lautenschlager's press release says..."Among Democrats, Lautenschlager leads by nearly 14 percent, 37.1% to 23.2% and also leads among independents."

Here's a link to Lautenschlager's press release:
http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases/July06/July11/0711lautenschlagerpoll.pdf

And here's a link to the survey results:
http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP22PressRelease_WIrace1.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got your facts wrong, Watchdog.</p>
<p>Lautenschlager&#8217;s press release says&#8230;&#8221;Among Democrats, Lautenschlager leads by nearly 14 percent, 37.1% to 23.2% and also leads among independents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to Lautenschlager&#8217;s press release:<br />
<a href="http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases/July06/July11/0711lautenschlagerpoll.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases/July06/July11/0711lautenschlagerpoll.pdf</a></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s a link to the survey results:<br />
<a href="http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP22PressRelease_WIrace1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwsc.wisc.edu/BP22PressRelease_WIrace1.pdf</a></p>
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