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March
2007
March
2007
Sorry Alderman Donovan: The County can’t just divert Deputies from the Freeway
City of Milwaukee Alderman Bob Donovan wants the Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Department to divert deputies from patrolling the freeway to patrolling the streets. It’s part of his plan to make City street safer. But there’s a big problem with that.
The State of Wisconsin pays for Milwaukee County Deputies to patrol the interstate in Milwaukee County. That’s why you don’t see State Patrol Officers on the local freeways.
You can’t just take deputies whose salary is paid for by the state and decide to have them patrol city streets.
The Alderman had some other ideas, some decent, some goofy, but for those you’ll have to visit Mobile’s Take.
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Who is this guy? Where does he get his Fantastic ideas? This is indeed an idiotic idea. Jester Clarke, I’m sure loves it, he can send the troops to the inner city to save the day. “Clarke Saves City From Crime” will read the Milwaukee Urinal. Problem is YES deputies are paid by the state to make the HIGHWAY/EXPRESSWAYS safer. Hell they can’t even do that with the few deputies that are out there. Then this joker wants to take that LARGE(not) supply of deputies and put them in the city. WHAT? Do the math-add MAYBE 5 more squad cars to MPD’s blanket of squads…oh yeah THAT MAKES SENSE, that sure will stop crime. On a side note- GRIP also known as TEU is ALREADY messing around in the inner city. MAYBE, just MAYBE check your facts before putting your neck on the line with a backwards idea.
Is this guy up for re-election? What is he HIDING by trying to come up with usless suggestions? Really, this is by far the second dumbest idea I’ve heard lately. The first was the suggestion of the National Guard
NAtional Guard- DO citizens realize these guys are trained to defend. When have you heard of military training to include speeding tickets and high speed pursuits? I’m not sure but I’m thinking there version of Personal Communications Skills are a tad different than what Law Enforcement is trained in. I’m not a military person, so I only poke fun of those BRAVELY defending my right to type a funny about them. I’ve was trained to speak to people, to control a conversation, to direct the conversation. I was never trained to yell, “INCOMING!!”or “RPG!” The natinal guard has better things to do then impose Military Law on civilians. God Bless the troops.
Is this peeping Bob?
Yes, Bill, it is indeed peeping Bob whose exploits in UW-M bathrooms once upon a time made for rather interesting toilet scribblings. Cudos to you for remembering. Most have forgotten, given Bob’s more recent exploits in the nonprofit field. One would think Sheriff clarke would have been able to find a more respectable ally on the city council. Seems he was not able to do so.
Verbal judo. Isn’t that what police officers are trained for, deputy insider? It’s a conflict/resolution method law enforcement officers are trained for, I’ve learned over the years covering Milwaukee police department.
It would seem Sheriff Clarke and County Exec Walker’s disrespect for sheriff’s deputies has oozed over onto the less reputable quarters of the Milwaukee Common Council, no?
Verbal Judo or Gerbel Voodoo whatever it’s called this year. It’s been IPC or PCS… I think only the LESB really knows what it’s called anymore. Did anyone else notice Clarke worn a 5 point star on his chest and patches of 7 point star on his arms during his press meeting yesterday?
Instead of slamming Donovan and his idea to actually try and REDUCE crime…why not proffer an idea of your own that address the rising violent crime in Milwaukee? Seems like it’s quite easy for you to bash someone’s ideas yet you come up with nothing of your own. Evidently you’re fine with the crime levels in our central city.
I am not a big fan of Bob, but I do think it is imperative that we try to find ways to reduce crime, and for that nobody should be faulted. He should have given more ideas, or at least a better one.
We need to look at the Boston Miracle of the 1990’s, which law enforcement still won’t follow through on. The strategy has never even been tried here.
And: Jobs, jobs, jobs.
Family supporting jobs.
mkelover,
what idea was it you were proposing?? Here’s my idea DO TIME FOR CRIME. We have a revolving door system where CRIMINALS have MORE rights then law abiding citizens. Build MORE state pens make criminals STAY IN THEM. I think this is where someone injects the CCW law under debate. So MKLOVER, again, what idea it was you were proposing?
DeputyInsider:
Fight fascism & imperialism by re-building schools (that foster compound knowledge development - not coach test-answers), provide proper care to veterans and indigent, relocate, rehabilitate and empower the LESS FORTUNATE!
Imprisonment cannot be the right answer, that’s been proven - repeatedly. Remove the environment that breeds crime …
Very few criminal chose the vocation …
On a lighter note, in this photo, Alderman Donovan really resembles W quite a bit. He could be a celebrity double. Weird.
oh boy here we go… criminals HAVE NO choice but to be criminals because they went to a crappy school and had no positive influences…..blah blah blah. I only WISH SCHOOLS were the answer. How about this BETTER parenting!! Schools, please. You’d have to MAKE them go.
Deputyinsider:
Yes, parenting too. But those parents were kids that weren’t parented and so on …
But geez, you are missing the point with the schools. There is not enough funding provided to inner city schools and there is no mistaking that it’s intentional.
How about schools having BOOKS and necessary PAPER SUPPLIES to teach — about schools TEACHING and giving kids a reason to WANT to find a way past the DEALER to get to class.
It isn’t the kids fault or the parents fault - it’s the administration creating a class of slaves by only teaching the test answers and pushing kids through without any compound reasoning skills to compete.
And, the majority of crime is in the inner-city; unemployment, underemployment and poverty in MKE / America are out of control. Being a criminal is NOT a choice for most. People gotta survive.
Everywhere they look there is another hurdle.
And they don’t have the educations to figure out another way .. you have, and can legibly express, your “blah blah” opinion because you do ..
Back to the point, I agree that more police on the streets are needed and the kids, currently trying to find a way out through education, will be grateful to get to school safely as well.
It is easier to try to plug your ears and blame the victims, but it doesn’t add up.
Education, health care, jobs, opportunity - not prisons!
Building more prisons, while I support that, only addresses the post-crime problem. If we’re to deploy the national guard and/or increase police officers significantly, this would potentially PREVENT crimes from happening in the first place.
But I do strongly agree that PARENTING above and beyond anything else will be the key…not some government handout or program, colored chalk in the classroom, or light rail system. If parenting changes, so will the children accordingly.
mkelover:
Colored chalk? Light rail??? A bit insulting, as if that’s what we’re debating .. chalk?
Just stop diffusing the issue.
Effect public schools (education), health care, jobs, opportunity are not hand-out programs!
To maintain this argument, you (again) must be generalizing what a “criminal” is to you. So I won’t waste much more time on this.
People who commit crimes have reasons for doing so. Nothing is random. You cannot beat the need for food and shelter outta anyone. We are all animals. There comes a point where white-man-society’s rules don’t make a lick of difference.
It would be less expensive to actually provide the counseling and job search assistance with programs that aren’t so ridiculously laughable. Have you ever been to the WI Job Search Programs? A folding table and a stack of newspapers —
I think the addition of relocation services to remove these people from their environments would be very effective in the long run as well. Because, people who commit crimes are not ALL prone to recidivism.
The children of today are tomorrow’s criminals and parents in question.
YOU clearly had choices, you’d need to walk a mile in the shoes to EVER get it –
So how do you get it? Are you convicted felon? Did you grow up as a crack baby? You strike me as a typical guilt-ridden liberal who thinks that government will solve all of the ills of society.
It is NOT government’s job to create jobs out of the thin air, they provide the environment for jobs to be created by private enterprise. It is also not their responsibility to provide health care, just look at how bad government health care is at the vet hospital in DC, would you want that kind of care for everyone? Heck no!
My point about the colored chalk is that no matter how much you spend on a school/education, it comes down to a teacher and a student…if student is WILLING to learn, attend class, and be a good student and a teacher is willing to fully do their job…chances are the child will LEARN regardless of how much is spent on the surrounding classroom. Case in point: Bradley Tech HS…they have spent more per square foot than ANY school is state history…do you think much learning is going on there??
So those kids who gunned down the boxing coach had no choice but to shoot the guy for his money? Read the criminal report, they “had nothing better to do” and were just killing time. I don’t think they shot him to just to get food and shelter.
MkeLover:
Nope, you are way off base. I am a left-center Libertarian.
How I personally get it is not relevant - it’s THAT I get it.
I suggest you go out and meet the people. Your opinions are bigoted and not at all relevant to reality.
EVERYONE is willing to learn if they are properly nurtured during their formative years! Open your magical box of “good parents” and sprinkle them over the areas with failing schools due to continuous funding cuts, will ya? Failing schools make failing people; failure to be good parents, open businesses, and all that goes all with it.
Again, your argument is lame. You ARE generalizing, you have proven it, with your isolated failure references. What about all the shit that doesn’t make the news - achievements against all odds??? Those stories don’t make the news, because it’s not sensational and no one is interested. UNPLUG from FOX TV dude - No news is good news. On FOX nothing is true either …
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mkelover:
I didn’t have time to mention before, to my knowledge in MKE metro, Nicolet HS, Elmbrook, Whitefish Bay, Germantown and Shorewood are more accurately where the money is spent highest per pupil. Results are realized in low drop out rates and 85% or better going on to college.
Parents in the burbs aren’t any less neglectful of their children, as you indirectly imply that those who go to FAILING schools are. In my opinion, suburban parents are MUCH worse - it’s just that they have the ability to provide material comforts better. And, THAT does not make a better parent. NOR, does it make a child more willing to learn. But, the funding does allow the schools to employ more qualified individuals willing to keep trying different strategies to get through to kids with learning disabilities. And, this is just one small example of how proper funding makes a difference. If it weren’t for the teachers (paid better than most in MPS and usually better qualified) more of those kids would be in those prisons you want to build (if their parents don’t continually bail them out with better financial resources).
And, let me note, your citations do not include ANY WHITE COLLAR crime. CRIME IS CRIME. And people from all walks commit it for a variety of reasons.
When you are talking about inner-city crime, you are talking out your ass. The equation does not work and they can figure that out by middle school. Getting by is HARD in today’s society. ESPECIALLY when you start REALLY low on the pole.
Nobody WANTS handouts, NOBODY wants to give them either. Where did you get your leg up? Living in your parents basement? A nest egg? A person to help you navigate college financial aid depts.? An uncle as a reference at a factory?
QUALIFIED professionals NEED TO BE PAID. And, it costs money. SUPPLIES are needed to run any business. SCHOOLS are BUSINESSES, their business is TEACHING. And, if you keep hacking at their shins, they will fall and drag behind. Then you can conveniently point your finger and say “see”. LAME.
Government and Private Sector Big Business are curently one & the same - THAT’S the problem!
MORE REGULATION, MORE INVESTIGATIONS & MORE INDICTMENTS of the REAL criminals committing atrocities on OUR society!
Along with that, I believe spending on public schools is another piece of the puzzle to solving crime of tomorrow.
” …Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Parenting is the key. Bottom-line! Doesn’t matter what kind of neighborhood you come from.
Wow. You really are drinking from the ultra-liberal water cooler, are you sure you’re not the PR person for the teacher’s union?
Not that it matters but I didn’t grow up with silver spoon in my mouth, far from it. I was out of my parents house at 18 and never returned. I paid for my college education on my own (still paying) and no relative or friend got me a job. I EARNED everything I have from hard work and diligence, I didn’t expect a handout from anyone. The one thing my parents did was force me to study and go to school…amazingly that parenting WORKED!
We have spent more on education than any other generation, we have spent more per student than at any time in the past. By money spent per square foot, Bradley Tech is the most expensive school in Wisconsin’s history! Schools like Nicolet and Shorewood may spent more per pupil but that is only because they collect far more in property taxes…and because they’re able to spend more per student does not mean that the students will actually learn! No matter how much a teacher is paid or how fancy a classroom is…if a kid doesn’t want to learn, then he/she WILL NOT learn, it’s not rocket science!
mkelover:
Your per sq foot Bradley Tech. argument is isolated & nothing to do with learning and crime - I have no response.
My question about your leg up was rhetorical. I can only assume you are white male with attentive parents (MENTORS/ROLE MODELS). You conveniently left those ADVANTAGES out. You refuse to recognize those advantages as very real.
I think I can speak to these issues pretty well.
I am white, not a teacher, not a felon, out of my parent house at 18 and never took a penny. I too am still paying for college. I got a good education - parenting had nothing to do with it.
I personally attended MPS inner-city, WAUKESHA, ELMBROOK and GERMANTOWN Schools. In the end my education was well rounded.
In my adult life, have lived/worked all over the country with all different kinds of people from all different cultures/races & creeds in all types of residential areas from ghettos to affluent neighborhoods, I have been homeless as well.
I recognize that just being born white is a leg up - I recognize it fully.
I have defined many of these facts a few times for you now.
So please, keep this issue-centered or I will not respond.
It is through my life’s experiences I have come to the opinion that our system is built for failure and oppression of the lower classes and destruction of the middle class.
In your opinion, ALL those kids/people/parents we - as a society - FAIL don’t want to learn and participate. BUT, you keep proving MY point by referring to YOUR parents.
PROPER FUNDING does fix schools - if applied properly (the KEY). We ARE spending yes, but everything costs more and WHERE is it going???? Where is it GOING?? Have a close look at those CHARTER operations …
And, of course property taxes pay the bills (not to mention direct donations and fund raising efforts). This gets complicated and I will not get into it.
If you were born Caucasian or MALE (an assumption) into our society to good parents, you have more than a few HUGE legs up - this is what is not rocket science!
Bill Stocks:
I whole-heartedly agree about parenting. I often angered with the lack of it surrounding me.
Mkelover is BLAMING the KIDS. Kids who lack compound reasoning skills breed the like. They often fail to learn due to environmental struggles - they cannot magically become good parents. And thusly, you cannot BLAME the PARENTS all the time either. It would be a case-by-case thing and cannot be GENERALIZED.
Breaking the cycle of dysfunction through education, redirection and social guidance needs to happen somewhere. Good schools are often safer than home and provide excellent mentors and role models. It’s the one place to start making a difference.
It starts with the kids - the kids will be the parents you speak of - it’s inevitable.